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Post by jrspins on Feb 15, 2011 10:48:46 GMT -5
PBS is facing de-funding by the federal government...of all the things to cut....ass butts!!!!!!....there are plenty of other places to look to make cuts....I'm sure everyone here has watched Nova....Sesame Street...lots of educational programming that is NOT available to the general public....everyone does not have cable or satellite...I am posting a link to send a message to our reps in the house and senate to keep the airways free and public...BTW....Pa does not fund PBS and most of the funding comes from the publiccapwiz.com/170ma/utr/2/?a=26970501&i=106969587&c=
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Post by Doug Loss on Feb 15, 2011 13:21:23 GMT -5
Sorry, but wrong. If most of the funding for public TV and radio comes from the public and not from taxes, then they don't need government funding. There might have been some SLIGHT rationale for PBS, NPR, and the CPB back when they were originally formed, but the proliferation of outlets these days that do exactly the same things they do has completely eliminated the need for them. Sorry, but lots of educational programming IS available to the general public. And for that matter, very little of what PBS and NPR broadcast is educational (except maybe in the sense of providing a bad example) anyway.
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Post by jrspins on Feb 15, 2011 13:52:51 GMT -5
Doug.....SORRY...YOU are wrong...Pennsylvania stopped funding PBS and NPR last year!!!!.... and not everyone has access to cable TV or can afford satellite TV...so the ONLY way to see educational programming is over the air.....I watch WVIA and there is a lot of really good programming there...Have you ever watched ??
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Post by Ritty77 on Feb 15, 2011 14:14:33 GMT -5
There are good points and bad points with every program, policy, agency, etc. that receives taxpayer funding. But we are going bankrupt. Nothing will ever get cut if we aren't willing to do without the least important of these. PBS is one program ripe for defunding, in my opinion.
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Post by philunderwood on Feb 15, 2011 15:45:53 GMT -5
At the risk of causing a cranky Judy, I’m going to agree with Keith on this one. Back in the days before cable or satellite, PBS offered programming that wasn’t commercial enough for the other stations.
Now we have many channels that offer as good or better science, nature, educational and children’s programming. I’d rather see PBS accept advertising than rely on government funding and viewer contributions.
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Post by jrspins on Feb 15, 2011 16:43:37 GMT -5
Unfortunately...if public broadcasting went commercial...then those paying the bills [advertisers] would certainly try to control the content of the programming...Again...there are other areas to cut and again....EVERYONE doesn't have cable or satellite to receive quality programming.....I hate to appear persistent...and certainly NOT CRANKY...but you guys just don't get it....Not everyone has access to anything other than antenna TV....and I would gladly pay for free...public programming if I had to..
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Post by relenemiller on Feb 15, 2011 17:28:47 GMT -5
"Unfortunately...if public broadcasting went commercial...then those paying the bills [advertisers] would certainly try to control the content of the programming" Uhhh, Judy....then as a Christian, who has viewed some rather slanted, if not outright heresy as per the documentaries on the Bible, then your above statement tells me who controls the content of the programming..... They spend hours each year soliciting from the public....then let it rise or fall on the same merits any other capitalistic system does, supply and demand. I've watched programming before on PBS, but we aren't talking a life support system here.
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Post by relenemiller on Feb 15, 2011 17:30:33 GMT -5
"NOT CRANKY" Careful of those red fonts, Phil....
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Post by Doug Loss on Feb 15, 2011 17:57:09 GMT -5
Then Judy, you and those who think it's worth it should pay for "public" TV in its entirety. There is absolutely no justification for the federal government to be ponying up tax money to fund an organization in direct competition with private enterprise. Oh, and do you realize that when you say, "I would gladly pay for free public programming if I had to," you're contradicting yourself? If you're paying for it gladly, it's not free. In truth, it never was. It's just that if you pay for it in its entirety it's not being funded by those who are disinclined to do so.
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Post by Ritty77 on Feb 15, 2011 18:08:14 GMT -5
PBS taxpayer funding is curtains! Curtains, I tell you.
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Post by jrspins on Feb 15, 2011 18:19:05 GMT -5
I can see that there are certainly closed minds here...that's OK...and I haven't contradicted myself either.....people see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear...too bad you all can't be this passionate about the REAL abuses that take place in federal spending...really, get a grip!Oh.... BTW ReLene...I can certainly see that commercial TV is moral and Biblical......right!!!....talk about bias
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Post by philunderwood on Feb 15, 2011 18:57:52 GMT -5
Judy, how many channels do you get with an antenna?
Back in the seventies I lived in the boonies and our “cable” was a feed off of an antenna a neighbor had installed on a mountain top. He ran the old railroad track wires down to his subscribers. When it wasn’t iced up or something, we got the three major networks and PBS.
Lightening storms were a major risk, but he also was our local TV repairman and he gave us a good price to fix our sets when lightening followed the “cable” into them.
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Post by Doug Loss on Feb 15, 2011 19:46:58 GMT -5
Judy, your desires are blinding you to reality. You have every right to watch PBS, just like the rest of us have every right not to pay for it if we don't want it. What you (and everyone else) don't have is the right to have us pay for what you want. Yes, I know, as things currently stand we're forced to fund your desires, but that doesn't make it right.
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Post by Ritty77 on Feb 15, 2011 19:48:11 GMT -5
Close minded? Because we disagree about the importance of funding PBS? I read your thoughts and disagree with them. From my point of view, you have offered no compelling reasons to support PBS, especially when a financial crisis looms. As such, I will stick with my original common sense opinion. Should I just say that you're right and admit I was wrong even though I think my opinion is correct? And where in this thread have you opened your mind and embraced anyone's opinion? Actually, you stuck to your guns with bold-faced emphasis. It's a two-way street. Nothing personal, we disagree, is all. Still love the purple door.
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Post by relenemiller on Feb 15, 2011 20:54:27 GMT -5
"Oh.... BTW ReLene...I can certainly see that commercial TV is moral and Biblical......right!!!....talk about bias"
You just proved my point, Judy by what you said. Commercial TV is anything but Biblical and or moral. But, there is some decent programming and generally, it follows that the commercials are decent too, knowing the audience that they are appealing to. I made the comment based on the bias of PBS, which tends to lean left and progressive. I'm not saying all programming is, but a great deal of it is. You mentioned Sesame Street? They just got called on the carpet some time ago for how one of the Hollywood actresses doing an appearance on the show was dressed....well....not so appropriate? I find our govt., BTW Judy, anything but moral.....
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Post by jrspins on Feb 16, 2011 1:20:19 GMT -5
My tax money and yours have funded hundreds of 'whatevers' that our fine government has decided was important...without our approval....so why should I provide a compelling argument to continue funding for PBS. ...Good grief....something for the common person...Maybe someone on this forum should provide a compelling argument why our fine legislators should provide funding for upstanding governments...such as the one that was just overthrown in Egypt....Funding for propping up corrupt governments...I never approved of that...Did YOU???...How about approving of all the wasted foreign aid money our government throws down that rat hole...billions of dollars wasted...I never approved of that...did you?...Please forgive me if I choose to spend our tax dollars on the American people...
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Post by Doug Loss on Feb 16, 2011 1:34:54 GMT -5
Judy, do you really think that we'll agree with you that government funding of PBS is warranted because you argue that foreign aid isn't warranted? That doesn't make any sense, and besides, I suspect we all agree that foreign aid isn't really warranted by the Constitution either.
And it isn't a matter of you choosing to spend our tax dollars on the American people, it's a matter of what the government is authorized by the Constitution to spend our tax dollars on. PBS isn't in there, and neither is foreign aid.
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Post by jrspins on Feb 16, 2011 1:58:24 GMT -5
Doug....I couldn't care less if you agree with me or not...never did and never will...and since when do you speak for everyone on this forum..[that we'll agree with you that ...your words]...and I also don't care for people who choose to become 'snitty' when a post differs from some sort of collective thought process that exists on this forum. I have better ways to waste my time and clearly I have little in common with most of the members here.
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Post by Doug Loss on Feb 16, 2011 2:51:16 GMT -5
You know, I don't really care if you don't like me, dear. If you want to talk about someone becoming "snitty," I think you need to do some serious self-examination. If you take this much offense to some honest and polite disagreement with your views, I don't think the real problem is with the disagreement so much as with your attitude.
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Post by Gavin on Feb 16, 2011 5:54:00 GMT -5
They just got called on the carpet some time ago for how one of the Hollywood actresses doing an appearance on the show was dressed....well....not so appropriate? I find our govt., BTW Judy, anything but moral..... A bunch of overblown hysteria IMO.
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